Kommentare zu: Opera approves of Firefox UI ideas

Von: Firefox 4.0-Design nimmt Gestalt an

Firefox 4.0-Design nimmt Gestalt an — Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:32:50 +0000

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Von: Chrom

Chrom — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:23:20 +0000

@Dan

So you do not want speed, security and features?

Speed? It’s the slowest browser available under Linux.
The only really insecure browser out there is Internet Explorer, in other words it’s not really a viable metric.
Only if you look at the suite as a whole and not the browser alone. If not, then you should compare it to other suites like SeaMonkey instead.

My response: Extensions make the browser sluggish and buggy and half do not even work because they are not compatible.

I’ve never had any problems with the ones I use, but a half of 15000 is still a lot and then you get access to a ton of functionality that Opera doesn’t have.

Oh the joys of slowing down the browser :)

He were asking for an existing implementation, I gave him a couple after doing a quick search.
And about the so called “slow downs”, you really should test yourself instead of just writing out what the Opera Gestapo tells you to.

Speed. Something Mozilla has never once seen.

I take it you’re talking about Firebird here, in other words a browser that’s several years old. They have come a long way since then.
Also, this is for testing a new design, not speed, and that’s not something that should require a completely new build… Oh, wait, sorry I forgot; Opera doesn’t have proper theming capabilities.

Von: Omega X

Omega X — Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:56:54 +0000

Max, there were a huge number of complaints with Office Ribbon. Yet Microsoft still uses it. The difference in this case is that this is Firefox, not Chrome or Internet Explorer. You can make the interface look any way you want.

Von: Max

Max — Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:58:28 +0000

You should be afraid, no doubt.

Firefox, Opera and Chrome are all heading the wrong way in terms of UI.

Your only hope is if the current interface would still be available to switch to. If not, expect a huge number of complaints.

Von: Frenzie

Frenzie — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:07:15 +0000

The history of Opera’s user interface isn’t exactly a success story. I wonder whether we should be proud of leading them the right way or afraid of heading the same way as Opera.

As long as you’re not under the delusion that a certain other GUI is a success story, sure. What do you use as a measure for success, anyway? Imitation would seem to be the only more or less objective measurement, and there’s been plenty of that going on over the years.

Von: dao

dao — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:15:13 +0000

“Stephen actually presented this mockup in early December”
Not “this” one

How do you know? Have you been there at the Mozilla all-hands? http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnath/4180643978/sizes/o/

Von: Dan

Dan — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:18:04 +0000

This was all stolen from Opera’s internal build leaked. Yet you claim to be the innovator? You never innovate, you never win at speed or security.

“or afraid of heading the same way as Opera.”
So you do not want speed, security and features? (Typical response: “We have extensions for features, not memory bloat like Opera” My response: Extensions make the browser sluggish and buggy and half do not even work because they are not compatible. Opera is lighter on disks too, it is not bloated. What is bloated is you obese fox attempting to have the same functionality as Opera.

“Stephen actually presented this mockup in early December”
Not “this” one, he presented a rip off of Opera 10’s skin. All he did was a copy then added some aero, which in turn stole from Chrome. The one I see today is a copy of Opera’s elements. But you claim it is your own? Idiot!

“so with any luck Opera’s UI will begin to improve.”
And with this pre-alpha it really has. I do agree though. Some of the old design where a little silly with some of the looks. e.g. 9.6 skin

“Why download a special build when you can just use a theme?”
Oh the joys of slowing down the browser :)

The writer is misinformed and needs to edit the post. Firefox is stealing from Opera. Quit spreading lies that it is vise versa.

“Why download a special build when you can just use a theme?”
Speed. Something Mozilla has never once seen.

Von: blog

blog — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 20:43:37 +0000

“The history of Opera’s user interface isn’t exactly a success story.”
That’s why Firefox is copying it ?
This is not the “new look” of Opera 10.5, the new look will be changed much later. This look is actually the look of Opera 10, released months ago. The only change is the little O on the top left, that replace the button to show/mask the menu bar. So this button was implemented in Opera 10 as well.
Who’s copying who (as usual) and who’s ridiculous, now ? You.

Von: hello

hello — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:02:44 +0000

“Answer: Be afraid of heading the same way as Opera.”

Yeah, the same way as Opera by adding tabs, the search field, popup blocking, and all sorts of UI features after Opera…

Von: Chrom

Chrom — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:02:34 +0000

Why download a special build when you can just use a theme?

Strata40 has been out since 11 September, 2009.
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/14284

Fx4 has been out since 14 November, 2009,
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/49178

Hide Caption has been out since 14 October, 2008.
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/9256

Hide Caption Titlebar Plus has been out since 4 August, 2009
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/13505

… and that’s just what I found after a five minute search.

@Digdug
“The app button idea seems pretty inspired by Office 2007, although some of the compact menu extensions have been doing pretty similar stuff for around a decade now too.”

From the Firefox mockup page (those images are links to the related articles):
“The new proposed approach to this problem is an App Button which is similar to the single menu approach taken by Windows 7 native applications (Paint, WordPad) and by MS Office.”